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The First Age Miniatures

Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:06 am

Hey there,

I am looking to recreate the First Age on the Table top.... I do not mean convert a few but I actually want the War of the Jewels to be the main part of my LOTR SBG life. I am looking for suitable figures to use as elves everything else I have covered. They have to be relatively cost effective and detailed... heroes are a different matter. I have already ruled out Mantic and any Heroic Scale minis..... Any suggestions? please let me know if this is the wrong place to post this..... Thank You All.... :)
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Re: The First Age Miniatures

Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:39 am

Welcome to the site Lord Meadhros! :) It sounds like an amazing project, very ambitious too!

I have started a smaller project like this too (I wanted to create the Nirneath Arnoediad), and Elves have caused me some headaches too. I wanted to create some true-to-the-books Elves, so this meant lots and lots of chain mail.
I used the GW High Elves as the basis, removed the band armour and simply sculpted some chain mail over it. You can check them out here on the One Ring:
http://www.one-ring.co.uk/gallery/album ... bum_id=245

For Heroes you could look into the Aelfar from Red Box Games: http://red-box-games.com/index.php?main ... 2419704a96
Yvander looks pretty much exactly like how I imagined Beleg Cuthalion to me. :) They also have some very nice Dwarves.
I have some models from RBG. The detail on them is stunning, and the sculpting is fantastic. The scale is just slightly smaller than normal GW models (like Gripping Beast models), but I don't think it looks weird to have RBG models next to GW models.

Also, I think Gildor Inglorion from GW (now out of production I think) is one of the few models from GW that could be directly used in the First Age I think, because he looks close to how I envision Elves from the books.

And finally, the former Vendell miniature range (now sold by Sgt Major Miniatures) is excellent. I don't have any, but I have seen them used very well by other people. Check out this range: http://www.sgmm.biz/Bloody-Day-28mm-Fantasy_c_23.html
Especially their Elves are perfectly suited for the job! http://www.sgmm.biz/Elves_c_67.html

Many of the Elves from Thunderbolt Mountain also look great to me: http://www.thunderboltmountain.com/collections/all/30mm
They might be a bit bigger than the normal Elves of GW, but then again, Elves should be taller than Orcs (and most Men) and so this might even be better!

I can't think of any other nice alternative Elves. Enjoy the project, and keep us updated! :)

(By the way, this is the right place to post this. ;) )
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Re: The First Age Miniatures

Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:28 pm

WOW :o

Just checked out some of the models mentioned by Fëanor and they are excellent. I must admit that I would even pay the extra P&P to the UK...This post is definitely got me thinking of a 1st Age Elf army (or 2, 3...)

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Lord Maedhros - What other figures do you have for the 1st Age and where did you get them?
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Re: The First Age Miniatures

Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:24 pm

Hey,

@Feanor: Yes I have seen your project and I thought it was really good. Also we must think alike because all the elves you posted were really good. I had looked at RBG and had already planned my Feanor from them (Lord Sylvain with minor conversions) Also Bloody Day elves seem good although the way the way they hold there weapons seem rather cartoonish, could anyone post scale comparisons of them painted? As for Thunderbolt those have been in my Scope since I first Started does any one know whether or not he will sculpt more High elves? Feanor could you please post some comparisons of the RBG next to their appropriate LOTR race? Thank You.

@Fat-hobbit- Actually I have no current first age figures but I will give you my Plans... For men I am going to use the Gripping Beast Plastic Dark Age box sets as well as Conquest Games Normans, Heroes will be from mostly Gripping beast (Let me know what you think about this Feanor)
All the Plastic can be found here- http://www.warlordgames.com/us-store/ha ... -ages.html
For Orcs I will use the current GW ones all mixed together.
For Dragons I will use a mix of many Manufacturers
For Werewolves I will use Fell Wargs and http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/media ... m00018.jpg as Carcharoth
For Eagles the current ones with http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/elf-o ... eagle.html as Thorondor
For Morgoth I am not yet sure probably a Sauron Figure e.g. http://www.wetanz.com/sauron-the-dark-lord-figure/
I will probably start collecting around Christmas and then I will post a WIP.... Thoughts? :)
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Re: The First Age Miniatures

Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:03 pm

I think we do think alike then! :)

About the Bloody Day Elves, they probably have separate spears and therefore the hands might look weird. Gripping Beast also has this problem, though I guess a bit of Green Stuff can fix it. I don't know of anyone on this site who has used the Bloody Day models, though.
I do not know if more High Elves will be sculpted by Thunderbolt minis, I doubt it will be quick, if it's done at all.
Yes, I can post a scale picture, but not until the weekend (I don't have them here right now). I'll do it then (if I forget it, send me a PM ;) ).

The plans for the other models all sound great!
Eagles are also made by many more manufacturers, and the plastic GW ones also look pretty decent I think.
Morgoth is a tough one, I don't have a good idea for that. I would probably just take a large (maybe 54mm scale) model and take it as a base to sculpt further, or sculpt it yourself entirely. Either way, it's gonna be a tough one.

Here are some more ideas for models to use:
Some other possible High Elves (look a bit cartoonish, but you might like them): http://www.battlezone-miniatures.co.uk/shop/category/13
Some various good heroes (might need conversion): http://otherworldminiatures.co.uk/shop/
Reaper (http://www.reapermini.com/) also has many good heroes (Dwarves, Men, etc). In addition, their new Bones series is enormously cheap!
Historical minis are made by many manufacturers, and the Dark Age miniatures are often very fitting for the Men of the First Age (and sometimes, with at least head swaps, also for Elves).
Some more good ranges:
Perry Miniatures (yes, they also work for GW!) Crusaders: http://www.perry-miniatures.com/index.p ... h9t874q8a5
Crusader miniatures: http://www.crusaderminiatures.com/list.php?cat=4&page=1
And some models that will work perfectly well for Vampires, I think: http://titan-forge.com/fantasy_miniatur ... piric_bats
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Re: The First Age Miniatures

Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:14 am

@Feanor: Someone on the One Ring suggested these elves as the core of my troops....
http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/ca ... cPath=1_17
I think they are good but I would add some chainmail and I would only use some of the units. Well try not to forget the pics :)

yes Gamezone makes some good eagles.... also other manufacturers wolves can be decent.... I am not sure about Morgoth... I was thinking maybe a Sauron Sculpt from Weta or something... what do you think about that?

Iron Wind Metals http://ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=265_296 have some fairly good looking elvish swordsmen.... although they are all in the same pose :?

Actually for Morgoth I was thinking Maybe something like this https://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=44 ... rch&400099 it is rather expensive but it has a unique feel to it I would of course add some Greenstuff to touch it up although it is rather big at over 2 feet.....

I do like the look of those bats though...

What suggestions do you have for Mounted elves? Thank you again Feanor :D
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Re: The First Age Miniatures

Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:43 am

This thread has a picture of thunderbolt minis compared to HE's. Only just came across it by chance. Hope it helps. Looks good to me!

http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=16893&start=140

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Re: The First Age Miniatures

Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:30 am

@ Lord Maedhros: I know those West Wind Elves, but I'm not a big fan of them. It's especially the plate that I don't like, I would personally remove it and sculpt chain mail instead (since no plate armour is mentioned by Tolkien ever, safe for Imrahil's vambrace, but that's it). With chain mail, I think they would look pretty good though. On the other hand, they might not mix very well with other Elves, because they have a very distinct feeling about them, and they look pretty Fantasy-like to me.

Gamezone, that was the one I was looking for. They have great Eagles indeed.

As for Morgoth, taking a Sauron mini and (heavily) convert it would make most sense, but the problem might be that they might look alike too much. On the other hand, Sauron did claim he was 'Morgoth returned', so in that sense it would actually make sense that Sauron would look like Morgoth. :) WETA's Sauron has too much plate to my liking though. But, converting Sauron might be easiest indeed. :)
A problem with modelling Morgoth, like modelling a Balrog, is that you can't capture his shadows. I envision that everywhere he goes, he's shrouded in shadows and darkness, and this cannot be captured in a miniature as far as I can tell. Morgoth's terror partially lies in his mystrey, and making a model will always reduce this, I think. Therefore, I would personally shy away from making Morgoth: he will never be as terrifying as the true Morgoth from the books. But, as long as you find something you feel works, go for it! :)
The Destroyer model might make for a good start, but if you are extensively going to convert him, I would never spend so much money on it. In that case, you will be a lot cheaper off buying even a toy model and sculpting over it, for example.

I didn't know the Iron Wind Metals, thanks for the link! :) I can't see much of most the Elves (too small pictures..), but the ones that can be seen (archers) look pretty good actually.

Mounted Elves are hard, I don't have any particular tips for that. You could of course convert them like this article: http://www.one-ring.co.uk/kb.php?a=79 (removing bands and adding chain mail), and this is what I would probably do. On the other hand, as far as I can remember, I think the only mounted Elves that are mentioned are the mounted archers of Fingon. I would do the conversion in the above article for the archers, remove the bands and add a short chain mail hauberk.
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Re: The First Age Miniatures

Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:34 pm

In case Fëanor forgets (and at any rate some days before he could), here's a comparison (and review) of some RBG models with GW LotR ones.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4072&p=47945
Since then, I've purchased another couple of models, will get a pic of those later today. :)

Hodush wrote:This thread has a picture of thunderbolt minis compared to HE's. Only just came across it by chance. Hope it helps. Looks good to me! http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=16893&start=140

Oh, that's terrible. Quite like the style of some of their models, but assumed the scale would be off. Now, another project is calling out to me, trying to lure me in...

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Re: The First Age Miniatures

Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:50 pm

I had the same thought Coen - really happy that I had finally found a decent, respectable priced, correctly sized alternative, then realized it will cost me money :o I'm also very interested in the Byzantine warriors as alternates to Khand/ Eastern Men. Luckily, I actually have no money, so it can't cost me anything at this time. :D

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